Being a personal coach i am very interested in making life easier. Reecently the movie "The Secret" was released and Larry King had an interview with some of the teachers who you can see in the movie. Below is the transcript of the interview.
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
The Power of Positive Thinking
November 16, 2006 - 21:00 ET T
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LARRY KING, CNN HOST (voice-over):
Tonight, want to find true love, make more money, have the
life of your dreams? Then think about it. That's right. The
power of your thoughts can improve your life. Sound
unthinkable? Well, science says there's something to it, so
engage your brain for an amazing hour that could transform
your world and help you live happily ever after.
It's all next on LARRY KING LIVE.
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KING: Welcome to the second in our series of how to go
beyond the power of positive thinking and use it to change
your life. Since last week's show was such a success, we
decided to dive right back into the topic tonight with a
different set of guests. They'll tell us how we can use the
power of your imagination and mind to create what we want in
our lives and how science supports it.
Our guests are: James Ray, President and CEO of James Ray
International, a multimillion dollar corporation dedicated
to teaching individuals to create wealth in all areas of
their lives. That's financially, relation wise,
intellectually, physically and spiritually.
Jack Canfield, the famed originator of the "Chicken Soup for
the Soul" series of books. It sold over 100 million copies.
Jack was one of the earliest champions of peak performance.
And, he's the co- author of "Dare to Win, the Power of
Focus," and his latest, "The Success Principles, how to get
from where you are to where you want to be."
Dr. Joe Vitale is president of Hypnotic Marketing, Inc. and
the founder and president of the Hypnotic Marketing
Institute. Joe is also an ordained minister, a certified
metaphysical practitioner and a certified hypnotherapist.
Dr. George Pratt, chairman of psychology at Scripps Memorial
Hospital in La Jolla, California and co-author of "Instant
And, finally, Jayne Payne therapist, social worker and
licensed chemical dependence counselor.
We begin with James Ray. What is the law of attraction?
JAKMES RAY, CEO, JAMES RAY INTERNATIONAL: Well, Larry,
science tells us that every single thing that appears to be
solid is actually energy. Your body is energy. Your car is
energy, your house, everything, money, all of it is energy.
You put it under a high-powered microscope it's nothing more
than a field of energy and a rate of vibration and like
vibrations are attracted to each other and dissimilar
vibrations repel. So, the law of attraction says when you're
in a certain vibration you're going to attract to you that
which you're in vibration or harmonic vibration with.
KING: Jack Canfield, do you accept that?
JACK CANFIELD, ORIGINATOR OF "CHICKEN SOUP FOR THE SOUL"
SERIES: Yes, I just basically say the law of attraction says
like attracts like. So, if you want to be successful you
need to come from a place of vibrating that you're
successful. You need to be thinking about the successes you
If you want to attract more money you need to be thinking
abundantly, so even though you might only be making $40,000
a year you want to be focusing on your gratitude for that
coming from a state of abundance.
And then what happens is you'll attract more abundance to
you. If you're talking all the time about what you don't
want or how bad it is, then what you're going to attract is
more how bad it is.
KING: Is this science, Joe?
JOE VITALE, HYPNOTIC MARKETING INSTITUTE: It sure is on a
fundamental level whatever you focus on you get more of. If
you're focusing on lack, you're going to get more lack. If
you focus on abundance, you're going to get more abundance.
I tell people find something in your life right now to be
grateful for because at that point you will start to attract
more things to be grateful for. It's absolutely workable,
KING: Can you really, Dr. Pratt, make your own happiness? I
mean let's say you go downstairs and your car has just been
hit. You can't be happy that minute.
DR. GEORGE PRATT, SCRIPPS MEMORIAL HOSPITAL: You can't
control external circumstances. All you can do is balance
yourself so that if something traumatic happened we want to
teach people how to balance themselves very rapidly. So,
shifting it to the positive allows you to actually change
KING: Jayne, you deal in chemical dependency, right?
JAYNE PAYNE, THERAPIST: Yes.
KING: How can you do this if you're depressed? PAYNE: Well
PAYNE: Bipolar, bipolar is a phenomena that has long been
said it needs medication and I'm not going to argue with
that. However, they have done scientific research that shows
that depression is anger turned inward. And, anger usually
come from unresolved issues.
And so, what I like to do with someone that comes to me
that's depressed, I tell them "Focus on the point of
reference in your life that's positive and look at what
caused that positive effect." And then they have something
tangible to work with.
KING: James are we always all day long attracted or not
attracted to things? Is this a constant "I like that, I
don't like this, I want this, I don't want that?"
RAY: We are. I mean we're consistently attracting. I mean
every single thing you have in your life right now you're
either in resonance with it or, if it's not in your life,
you're not in resonance with it.
If you want to create anything you want, anything you
desire, you have to practice what I call going three for
three. Your thoughts, your feelings, and your actions all
need to be firing simultaneously and in alignment. When you
go three for three, you're absolutely unstoppable. You can
create anything you want.
KING: Jack, do we create our own positive negatives?
CANFIELD: I do believe that. I think we're constantly
creating whatever comes into our life and if you focus on
what you want, as Joe said earlier, you get what you want.
If you focus on what you don't want, you get more of that.
And we often think we're focusing on something like saying
"I don't want to be overweight anymore." But what we're
focusing on is overweight anymore. So, we have to state it
in a more positive way.
And when we do that what happens is our mind and our
emotions follow our thoughts and then our behaviors follow
our emotions. I choose to make myself happy. Abraham Lincoln
said back in 1865 happiness is a choice and the fact is it
KING: True, Joe, if your house burns down it's how you react
to your house burning down?
VITALE: No, I'm going to disagree with a couple of the
things said here.
VITALE: Oh, you like this. Well, I'm going to disagree
because I believe that you are attracting everything, every
little thing, the car accident, everything that you could
name but we're doing it on an unconscious level. We're not
aware of it.
KING: I attracted my own car accident?
VITALE: You absolutely did. We are attracting everything
unconsciously. That's why we have to read the books, like
Jack's books or Jayne's books or my books so that we can
begin to wake up.
We can begin to take conscious control of what we've been
doing unconsciously. At this point, we want to start looking
at why did I attract it? Yes, you can put a positive spin on
why you attracted it but I'm saying you did attract it.
KING: What, Dr. Pratt, is the law of vibration?
PRATT: The law of vibration is -- reflects a certain harmony
or being in sync with something. You've heard of that
phrase, "You're on my frequency." Everything has a frequency
and, if we go to super string theory, everything is little
vibrating packets of energy. So, we have a frequency.
KING: Let me get a break.
Up next, you can't get what you want in life until you know
what you want in life. We've got some simple advice that can
help you put together your personal wish list when LARRY
KING LIVE continues.
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RAY: The universe states, there's a law in your universe
that says the more you give the more you get or receive.
This is true in your finances, no or yes?
I really wasn't a great student in school. I was one of
those individuals who always wanted to get out and do
Let me tell you something about real wealth. We're going to
discuss that a lot this evening because I can guarantee you
this. You might go after the money and get rich. It doesn't
mean you're going to be wealthy.
I got hit head on by a car in the late '90s and it just
totally changed my life, late '80s I should say. It just
totally changed my life because I had to step back and
realize that, you know, the physical body could be taken out
in an instant.
And so I started looking at things a lot differently. It was
a real significant emotional event for me.
Your one purpose on this planet, one purpose on this planet,
is to grow. That's it.
There's never been a time in my life where I didn't feel
like the most important thing was to understand the laws of
the universe and how things worked and how they applied to
body, mind, and spirit.
You see I've been talking about quantum physics for over a
decade and most people in the audience have drool running.
They're like what? And now, now people are opening their
And what I realize is that no matter where you are in life
challenges are a part of life and to think otherwise is
illusion. It really is. You know we always have challenges
in life and the bigger the game you play, the bigger the
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RAY: Every great tradition has told you that you were
created in the image and the likeness of the creative
source. That means that you have got potential and power to
create your world and you are. You are. And maybe you've
created things to this point that are wonderful and worthy
of you and maybe you haven't.
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KING: Jayne Payne, are you agreeing with what's been said so
PAYNE: Yes. One of the interesting things I found working
with clients that come to me, usually I get clients that
aren't manifesting what they want in their life. That's why
they're seeing me.
And one of the things I look at is they're operating out of
unresolved issues, particularly of abandonment. And so once
I work through the grief process of those issues, what I
find is a lot of people the reason they're not attracting
what they want in their life is they're operating out of
If they'd operate out of want and desire, then they would
get what they want. So, I talk about and I have them focus a
lot of desire, belief, and then expect it to happen.
KING: Jack Canfield, how do we find out what we want in
life? That may sound ridiculous but a lot of people probably
CANFIELD: Well, there are a number of ways but one of the
ways that I like to start with my clients is what I call
create an irritation list. Go through your house, your
apartment, your office, your garage, list down everything
that isn't exactly the way you want it and that tells you
what you're not satisfied with.
Now you take it from that level to what she was just talking
about and turn it into the vision of what you would like to
have. I want that door to close without it slamming. I want
the picture not to do this. I want it to be straight, you
know. I want my people in my office to be positive.
KING: Some people might take a month with an irritation
CANFIELD: Well, you know, usually about two hours you can
get it done. Then you go through and you create the opposite
so you know what you want. And then what you have to do is
schedule time to go ahead and do it.
Like I say if you take a weekend and just handle all the
little things and why is this important? Most of us are
talking about our big vision, our big goals, world peace,
things like that, becoming a millionaire.
But, if you don't handle the little irritations and you
settle for them what happens is you go into subtle
resignation, "I can't have what I want" and you have to numb
out your awareness to see it. And then you numb out that
little kid inside that says "Wow, I can have everything."
KING: Joe, how do you clear out negative self talk?
VITALE: One of my favorites is to become a loving detective
of your own mental activity. So, in other words, thoughts
are going through our brains right now. They're going
through yours. They're going through mine. They're going
through your listeners, the watchers, all of this.
Some are positive. Some are negative. What you want to do is
start to notice which ones are the ones that make you feel
good and you want to reach for the thoughts that feel good.
You start to go in the direction of having more of those.
And, going back to my earlier statement fundamental law and
psychology you get more of whatever you focus on. Focus on
the positive thoughts and those negative ones are going to
start to drop away or you won't pay attention to them as
KING: In a moment, we'll take a question from the audience.
But, James, what are the five areas you focus on?
RAY: I've coined something I call harmonic wealth and
harmonic wealth has five key pillars, financial, relational,
intellectual, physical, and spiritual. You see I talk to
people all the time who have one, two, maybe three of those
and they still feel unfulfilled. A true state of wealth is a
state of harmonic wealth and when you're there you're
really, really wealthy.
KING: Let's take a question from members of our studio
audience who are with us today. Let's go to C.J. Minster
(ph) -- C.J.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you. In light of the general
inflexibility in the U.S. workforce how is it possible to
plan for a family while planning your career path?
KING: Who wants to grab that?
CANFIELD: Well I think the underlying assumption is what we
call either/or. I can either have this family or I can have
work. And, if you take the position you can have both and
make that your goal, make that your vision, start
visualizing that that's what you want, believing you can
have it, creating the vibration of what it would be like
imagining having a perfect integrated life of fulfillment at
work and fulfillment at home.
And, if you do that, then what will happen is your
unconscious will begin to come up with the ideas, the ways
to create that. You'll attract to you the work
opportunities, the resources, the right boss, whatever it is
to do that. So the main thing is the assumption is wrong.
KING: Do all of you agree with the concept of visualization?
VITALE: Absolutely. That's a powerful thing.
CANFIELD: The mind thinks in pictures.
VITALE: I would add to it though, I don't think
visualization by itself is quite enough that a lot of people
are using mental imagery and they are getting some results,
not always the results that they want, not always as fast as
I have written about this. I have said that you have to add
feeling to it. So, in other words, when you're visualizing
that you're in this new car or in your Maui home or whatever
it happens to be, you don't just see the picture of it and
you don't see just you in the picture.
You see yourself experiencing it as if it's right now. You
feel it. You see it. You live it. When you do that you
accelerate the manifestation process. You go way beyond
KING: What's a positive affirmation, Jayne.
PAYNE: A positive affirmation is something that you usually
tell yourself every day and I usually do it visually with my
clients. I have them do poster boards and I have them map
out where they want to go.
And I have them actually physically cut out pictures and I
put them on the board, have them put them on the board and
they look at them daily and they affirm to themselves daily.
"This is what I want. This is where I'm going to go." And
then I have them take it a step further. I have them take it
to where what will it feel like when you get there?
CANFIELD: Kids do this naturally. My son when he wanted a
surfboard all of a sudden his whole wall was covered with
VITALE: Yes. Yes.
CANFIELD: They naturally do this. And then somehow we get
talked out of it as we grow up as adults and we stop doing
PRATT: Besides adding the emotion which is so important to
add all five sensory channels is extremely powerful. We know
this from the Soviet studies on enhanced performance. The
brain can't really tell the difference between a real event
and a highly-imaged experience.
KING: Coming up -- let me get a break and we'll be right
back. Unlucky in love, our panel has some great advice on
how to trade Mr. Wrong for Mr. Right or Ms. Wrong for Ms.
Right when LARRY KING LIVE continues.
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CANFIELD: Events plus responses equal outcomes and if you
don't get the outcomes you want it's because you haven't
responded correctly to the events that have occurred up
until that time.
My mom and my dad got divorced when I was six and so I
settled in Wheeling, West Virginia, grew up in a kind of a
normal lower middle class life.
Then you have to be willing to ask yourself, "What am I
willing to sacrifice in terms of time, effort, resources,
money, et cetera, in order to achieve those goals?"
And it was in Chicago that I met this man named W. Clement
Stone, who was a self-made multi-millionaire and he was
worth $600 million and he took me under his wing and
basically said to me, "If you'll teach these success
principles to others, I'll teach them to you."
And that's really what I see, the kind of work I do which is
we remove the block so the natural essence of who you are
comes forward without effort. In fact, it gets easier.
Yes, I think one of the key principles of success is never
give up. You have to persevere, called consistent
persistence, and the best example would be "Chicken Soup for
the Soul." When we went to sell that book we were rejected
by every major publisher in New York, all 22 of the big
And the key there is that over 14 months of rejections from
the time we started in New York until we finally got a
publisher and the message is never give up on your dreams
because if we'd stopped after 100 and said "Well obviously
this isn't supposed to happen," I wouldn't be sitting here
And what I found in life is if you ask people to support
you, nine times out of ten they will.
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I live in a $4.5 million mansion. I have a wife to die for.
I get to vacation in all the fabulous spots of the world. I
have climbed mountains. I have explored. I've been on
safaris. And all of this happens and continues to happen
because of knowing how to apply the secret.
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KING: We're back with our panel. The importance of learning
to love yourself first, James, before you love anybody is
that true? If you don't love yourself, you can't love
RAY: It's absolutely true, Larry. You see I travel all
around the world and the whole concept of soul mate is often
inherently flawed because it says that your completion or
your better half resides outside yourself.
Intellectually we know better than that. I mean your
completion doesn't reside outside yourself. Your completion
resides inside yourself. You will never, ever attract a
perfect relationship with another human being into your life
until you first and foremost have a perfect relationship
KING: Why, Jack, in life probably the hardest thing is
maintaining a happy relationship?
CANFIELD: Well because we tend to project the unexpressed
parts of ourself, the unaccepted parts of ourself out onto
the other person and we keep trying to get them to change so
that we'll be happy.
And really what the value of a relationship is, is to
reflect back and mirror back to us the parts of ourself we
haven't integrated love in order to express fully.
So, if we learn that then we can create a great relationship
so that when my wife, I, you know, "is making me angry," I
really look inside and say "Well what is it about me that
I'm rejecting in her that I need to clean up?" And if I can
do that, then the relationship becomes a fabulous place to
grow and a fabulous place for fulfillment.
KING: Are you in trouble, Joe, if your emotional happiness
is dependent on someone else?
VITALE: Yes, absolutely. In fact, if you're trying to go
beyond positive thinking, you're trying to manifest anything
and you're sending out these negative energies about
addiction, about obsession, about emotional need then that's
what you're going to get more of and you will have a very
fractured relationship that is not going to last.
KING: Dr. Pratt, the importance of healing after a
relationship ends before a new one starts.
PRATT: Essential, people (INAUDIBLE).
KING: Can't go from one to the other?
PRATT: No. You need a little time to heal, to learn about
yourself and understand what happened in the relationship.
And, if you're having a problem with somebody unless there
is some pretty other serious circumstances, there is a
mirror there so those -- you have learned something about
yourself in the process.
KING: Why do people keep dating the same or being involved
with the same kind of person that hurt him before?
PAYNE: Yes, that's a good one because dealing with
addictions, one of the biggest causes of relapse in
addictions, by the way, is relationship issues. And, the
bottom line is, is at the point of abandonment it begins a
loss of our identity. And what happens is then we spend the
rest of our time trying to look for that missing piece and
we look for it in others. And the bottom line is it's not in
others, it's in ourselves.
KING: We have an audience question from Alexandra Goldman --
ALEXANDRA GOLDMAN: My question is how do you maintain a
successful love relationship while growing as an individual
when people so often grow apart?
RAY: Well, one of the things that I suggest you do is sit
down with your mate and talk about where you're going and
what's important to you in your relationship. Once you do
that then you can take steps together to begin moving in
KING: What about relationship addictions, doctor?
PRATT: You can become addicted to anything. That's when you
find some fulfillment or you get a release of dopamine or
some other neuro chemical when you're around them. It
creates a high. And that the absence of that puts you into a
state of deprivation.
KING: Joe, can you hypnotize yourself out of a bad
VITALE: That's an interesting question.
KING: Say you're in love, you're hung up and it's going
nowhere and you want to get out but you can't get out.
VITALE: Oh, you can always get out. Your hypnotized yourself
into it actually. You know you're talking -- yes, so you
absolutely did. You know I wrote this whole book, "The
Attractor Factor." There's five steps on achieving whatever
But actually since I wrote it, I found that there's only
this one step and this one step is, and I can't do it all
the time, and I don't know anybody else that can do it all
the time, but it cuts through the relationship. It breaks
the trance. It fulfills a lot of things we need. Be happy in
this moment. Be happy now. This is the point of power.
Everything else is in the past or in the future.
KING: Just ahead, positive thinking and your pocketbook.
Find out how it can pay off financially when LARRY KING LIVE
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VITALE: When I was in Dallas, and this would have been in
the late '70s, I was virtually, I was not virtually, I was
homeless for a short period of time. You don't ever want to
be homeless for a single day but I was for a short period of
But throughout it all, I was always maintaining my vision,
my goal, my focus. I want to be an author. I want to write
books. And I would say I would owe it all to the principles
that are in the movie "The Secret," the principles I talk
about in my books like "The Attractor Factor," and, of
course, through never giving up, never giving up the dream,
the desire, the hope, that vision and constantly going
forward with it.
Because you are the masterpiece of your own life, you are
the Michelangelo of your own life. The David that you are
sculpting is you.
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VITALE: Well another thing people wonder about is how long
is this going to take? How long will it take to manifest the
car, the relationship, the money whatever it happens to be?
Well, I don't have any rule book that says it's going to
take you 30 minutes or three days or 30 days. I think it's
more a matter of you being in alignment with the universe
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KING: We're back on this very special edition of beyond the
power of positive thinking. Our guests are James Ray,
president and CEO of James Ray International; Jack Canfield,
the famed originator of the "Chicken Soup for the Soul"
series; Dr. Joe Vitale, president of the Hypnotic Marketing,
Incorporated organization and founder and president of the
Hypnotic Marketing Institute; Dr. George Pratt is chairman
of psychology at Scripps Memorial Hospital in La Jolla,
California; and Jayne Payne is a therapist, social worker
and a licensed chemical dependent counselor.
We're going to talk about money in this segment. James,
what's -- explain the power of partnerships.
RAY: Well, I made a decision several years ago, over a
decade ago, that really changed my life. I made a decision I
wasn't going to spend high quantity time with people I
didn't want to be.
KING: This is in the financial area we're discussing.
RAY: Yes. Financially or anyway -- in any area, actually.
You know, because I looked around at the people I was
hanging out with, and they weren't going the same places I
was going, they weren't doing the same things I was doing,
they weren't thinking the way I was thinking. So they were
holding me back.
So I made a decision to start spending more time with people
that were like-minded and moving in the direction I was
going. KING: Jack, explain the time management system.
CANFIELD: Well, basically the system is divided into three
parts. You divide your days into three kind of days. Focus
days, free days and buffer days.
And a focus day is 85 percent of your time is focused on the
20 percent of your life that produces 80 percent of the
results. So each of us has something that we do naturally
that we would call our core genius. For me it's teaching,
speaking, writing, et cetera.
The second kind of day is a free day. It's midnight to
midnight with no work related activity. And by that
definition, there are some people who haven't had a free day
in three years. And what we now know from the studies is the
people that take more free days actually end up making more
money, because when they're off, that's when the creative
ideas come forward, the inspirations for new products, new
ideas, new services, new ways to be in the world.
And the third kind of day is a buffer day. And that's when
you are doing the things like delegating, preparation. You
have to go out there and run around and do your laundry and
get all that stuff done.
But the point is, that we do have to have those days. So the
key is, you want to have more focus days, more free days and
less buffer days. And you want to have your schedule
determine what kind of day it is, so you're not just
responding to people, you're intentional.
KING: Joe, how do we increase the speed of attaining
financial career goals?
VITALE: I think it is a couple of things. One of them is
focussing on what you want, being very clear on the amount
of money, making sure it's a stretch, but it's still
Another thing is to visualize it with feeling, making sure
that that feeling element is there.
And the third is to be taking action, and make sure that
you're acting on the ideas. Because when your stated
intention is that you want to have so much money, and start
to take action for it, you will start to go in that
direction. You'll start to have ideas, but your bargain is
you have to act on those ideas or nothing will get done.
KING: Doctor, is a personal coach a good idea?
PRATT: I think we all need coaching. And I think we can all
benefit from learning in new ways.
I know that when you're thinking about coaching or using
others as resources, even in the financial area, new ideas
can present some very interesting opportunities.
KING: Go ahead. I want to get an audience question, but go
ahead, Joe. VITALE: OK, I just wanted to -- you asked about
coaching. I want to point out how important it is to have a
coach, because most of us are thinking within this little
ball and nest of beliefs. We don't know what the beliefs are
because they are what we think all the time. Somebody else,
a coach on the outside can listen to you and feedback to you
what your own thoughts are.
KING: An objective.
VITALE: Objective person, yes.
KING: We have a question in the audience from Rob Christie
(ph) -- Rob.
Thank you, everybody.
I'm a single man with a single income, and I love my job. I
love what I do. But it puts me at a certain financial level,
and are there any actual steps that you can recommend to
help me obtain my goal of buying a house and, more
importantly, buying a house where I want to live, which is
at the beach?
KING: James, is he thinking out of bounds?
RAY: Well, you know, it really depends. You've got to get
really clear. If that house is what you want, then you've
got to, again, think, feel and act as if you are going to
get that house. You've got to take the action.
You know, I've worked with several individuals who couldn't
come up with the money for the down payment, but they went
ahead and took the action towards it, and by and large, they
attracted $100,000, $20,000 here, $10,000 here from their
friends and family. And they bought the home.
So you've got to take that action. You've got to move
forward, thinking, feeling, acting and knowing that you can
do that. And you can make it happen. You really can.
CANFIELD: My mentor was a man named W. Clement Stone, who
worth $600 million when I worked for him. And he taught me
this principle. And I was a teacher in Chicago making $8,000
a year. And I took a course with him. And he said I want you
to set a goal that's so big that if you achieve it, you'll
know it's because of what I'm teaching you.
So I set a goal to make $100,000 in one year. Now, you
know,they don't pay you more to become a good teacher. So I
had no idea how I was going to do that, but I visualized it,
I had an affirmation, I felt the feelings, I saw myself
living in this $100,000 lifestyle.
And to make a long story short, what happened was I started
getting ideas. I would be in the shower and this inspiration
would come, hey, you have a book. It gets 25 cents royalty
every time it gets sold. If you sell 400,000 copies of that
book, you'd make $100,000.
Now, I didn't know how to do that. My publisher didn't know
how to do that. But I started visualizing 400,000 book
copies sold. And what changed it was my wife said one day
that if we were a bookstore, we would make three dollars a
book, then we'd only have to sell 33,000 copies. And by the
end of the year we had a mail-order bookstore with 32
different books and tapes and we made $92,328. And I was
still a teacher making $8,000, which gives me what?
A $100,000 a year income.
VITALE: Get the house.
KING: We'll take a break and be back with more.
Still to come, the keys to using emotional awareness to
control your physical health.
Don't go away.
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PAYNE: Relationship addictions are a loss of one's self that
occurs when abandonment occurs. And what happens at the
point of abandonment, when we're given messages, because we
are sexual beings, we're given messages that say, you're not
OK as a girl, you're not OK as a boy. And we grow up feeling
that we're not OK as sexual beings, so what we do is we try
to get those two parts to come together by getting into
constant relationships over and over and over again.
And so when those don't work, we eventually end up finally
grieving the loss of the abandonment and we stop abandoning
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RAY: How can you ever expect anyone else to enjoy your
company if you don't enjoy your own company? And so, again,
the Law of Attraction, or the secret is about bringing that
into your life. And you've got to get really, really clear.
Here's a question I want to ask you to consider. Do you
treat yourself the way that you want other people to treat
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KING: We're back. Jayne Payne, how do we change habits?
PAYNE: One of the ways to change habits is first become
aware you have one. And that's where the outside coaching
comes in. And usually people that have habits that are not
working for them in their lives will end up in some form of
therapy or end up in some kind abusive relationships or
getting negative responses.
KING: This panel is not against therapy, is it? UNIDENTIFIED
MALE: Not at all.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not at all. I think works.
PAYNE: It works together...
KING: How do you cure an addiction, George?
PRATT: Well, you get to the source of it. You support. You
change your thinking. You make decisions, you write goals,
you go to some kind of 12 step group and you apply the
self-calming techniques that are available in a number of
KING: Jayne, explain your intensive grief weekends.
PAYNE: OK. The grief weekends are a weekend where people
come and they go down to the very core issue, the very
bottom line of why they aren't accomplishing what they want
to accomplish in life.
And we work through it, through the grieving process. And at
the end, we have a funeral. We bury it. And therefore it is
no more. And I always get to the point where we talk at the
end, if you go within, you never go without.
KING: Are you saying you can think good health?
RAY: You can. You can. You can just as easily think good
health as you can think poor health. You've to give your
attention to something, Larry. So energy flows where
attention goes. If you get up every single morning and you
are giving all your attention to how overweight, out of
shape and broke you are, then energy is going to flow in
KING: Yes, but you can't outthink cancer.
RAY: Well, there is a lot of documented cases where there
has been complete remission, complete turnaround.
You know, cancer is a process. And your body turns over. We
know that in the medical profession, that your body turns
over every seven years or less, every cell, every bone,
everything. So when you're diagnosed with a cancer, it is a
process of cancering yourself. When you stop that process,
you can reverse it. And there is plenty of documented cases.
KING: You work with dolphins?
PRATT: Yes. I do seminars in Hawaii. And that includes
swimming with dolphins.
KING: What do you do?
PRATT: Well, it is a heck of a lot of fun to begin with. So
it is helpful for our own neurochemicals. But an interesting
study came out in a British medical journal last fall that
in the clinical trials, swimming with dolphins one hour a
day for 10 days helped to reset mild to moderate depression,
And I also want to say one thing about what you were saying
that ties into the dolphins, and that is I want people to --
in the prevention process, to be going through a gratitude
list in the shower, 10 things in the morning, to make sure
they get at least three laughs during the day, to do some
deep breathing and seeing whatever they want to have happen
for two minutes a day.
KING: So is there any area of life this doesn't work?
VITALE: What a great question.
KING: That's why I asked it.
VITALE: I'm glad you did. I'm glad you did. You know, I
don't know that there are any limits whatsoever. I keep
finding out that what we think is a limit doesn't become a
limit. Once we start addressing it, we set a goal to go past
it. I mean, it is the old four-minute mile, it's about going
to the moon, it's about, you know, Larry, I was homeless at
one point. I was in poverty for the longest time. I'm now a
bit of an Internet celebrity. I have got more books than I
can remember that are out there, most of which are best-
sellers. Last week, I bought myself one of 300 hand-made
luxury sports cars, a Panoz Esperante, and I'm a guy who was
homeless 30 some years ago, paying cash for a luxury car.
You can change your life and you can dissolve anything that
you think is your limit. Thirty years ago, I would have
said, no, I can't get a -- what is a sports car?
KING: Jayne, you put any limit on anything?
PAYNE: No. There are no limits. Our unconscious mind doesn't
know anything is not possible. And if you tap into that...
GANFIELD: Let me tell you a really interesting story. This
guy named Cliff Young shows up at a race in Australia, 61
years old, he's wearing Oshkosh overalls, a t-shirt,
baseball cap, construction boots and galoshes. And it's a
six-day run from Sydney to Melbourne, 650 kilometers. All
the young guys who are there, these elite runners, and they
think this guy is crazy, he can't possibly do this.
So they all take off and they're all running really fast,
and Cliff is kind of doing this what they call the Cliff
And the thing he didn't know, because he had never read a
book on racing, he'd never talked to a runner, he just read
what was in the paper and wanted to go do it, is that on
these long runs, you're supposed to run for 18 hours, sleep
So that night when everyone went to sleep, he was so far
behind, no one told him to go to bed. He ran right by
everybody and ran nonstop for five and a half days, Larry,
and broke the record of that race by 12 hours.
And he came back the next year, everyone was doing the Cliff
Young shuffle, and there were 70 people in the race and they
all broke records. But he came in number 12 out of 70.
So he didn't know there was a limit. He didn't know you were
supposed to do that.
And we're all controlled by what we have been told is
possible instead of told as children, anything is possible.
KING: So the old axiom, mind over matter, works?
KING: When we come back, we'll talk about some of the key
steps that can help you find success. We'll be right back.
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PRATT: It has been very interesting over the years. I
started in practice, always trying to help people be their
best, and that wasn't always the case with psychology in
general. Some people were more oriented in different
directions. But mine was a more positive approach, which is
And I will tell you that even though my seminars that I do
where we do end up swimming with dolphins in the wild -- we
don't bother them, we let them swim by us if they want to --
is what happens to people after the seminar, combination of
education and then being in the energetic field with the
dolphins, it's pretty phenomenal. People are -- they're
strengthened, they're empowered, and they feel like they can
do what they need to do. And whether you think you can do
something or you can't, you're right. So you might as well
focus on the positive.
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GANFIELD: Decide what you want. Believe you can have it.
Believe you deserve it. Believe it is possible for you. And
then close your eyes every day for several minutes and
visualize having what you already want and feeling the
feelings of already having it.
Come out of that, and focus on what you're grateful for
already. And really be -- enjoy it, OK? And then go into
your day and release it to the universe, and trust that the
universe will figure out how to manifest it.
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KING: James Ray, you say gratitude is the most powerful
force. Does it work?
RAY: It really is. Well, energy flows where attention goes.
If you have a relationship, a romantic relationship, and
you're grateful and you love him or her, you give them
attention, right? If you have children and you love them,
you give them attention. Attention equals love.
KING: Why aren't we grateful?
RAY: Most people are in love with their misery, because
they're attending to it all the time. It's like a roaring
bonfire and they're throwing another log on it every day.
KING: Jack, what...
GANFIELD: Focus on what you're grateful for. What it focuses
you on is what you want more in your life. The reason you're
grateful is it makes you happy. You're feeling good about
it. So by focusing your gratitude on that, as you were
saying every morning, you know, go through a gratitude list
-- I spend seven minutes every morning writing down what I'm
KING: Joe, what is the danger of feeling desperate?
VITALE: You're going to attract more desperation. The energy
that you send out is the attractor. This is from my book,
"The Attractor Factor." It's got to pull back whatever it is
that you're feeling. You're going to get more of it. So if
you're feeling desperate, the only thing that you're going
to notice, the only thing that you're going to attract are
more feelings, thoughts and situations that will make you
KING: Perseverance is very important, right, doc?
PRATT: Perseverance, persistence, developing new habits.
KING: And that can be taught.
PRATT: It can be taught and it can be practiced. And the
more you practice it, the better you get.
KING: We have another question from our audience, from
Elizabeth Decosta (ph). Elizabeth.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, guys. So I've been working the
principles and staying positive and all of that. My question
is, how do you politely address those around you, whether
they're friends or family, who don't support you or are not
on the same path and -- well, actually turn down your goals,
your dreams and your aspirations? Are you supposed to, like,
remove them from your circle, or how do you...
KING: Great question. I will go to Jayne first and then...
PAYNE: The thing that I've found with working with this for
many years is once you begin to have that attraction in your
life, and once you begin to put that into motion and it
begins to happen for you, an amazing thing happens. These
things just kind of fall away from your life, because you're
no long attracting them. So they kind of resolve themselves.
They will just eventually dissipate because you're
attracting something new into your life. And when we
eliminate something out of our life, we replace it with
RAY: The things we're talking about here, your peer group
will change. When you choose to pursue your greatness,
you'll represent the courage, in many cases, that other
people don't have. And so you've got to be prepared for
But it will, as Jayne said, take care of itself. It doesn't
mean they're not good people. They're wonderful people, as I
believe all people are, but they're not going in the same
direction you are.
And so -- you still love them, but I would recommend you
don't spend high quantity time with people who aren't in the
KING: Jack, what's the importance of responding to feedback?
CANFIELD: Well, basically, I teach that the way to improve
is to solicit and respond to feedback. So I teach a question
that my wife and I use once a week, and that I teach other
people to use. On a scale of one to ten, how would you rate
the quality of our relationship, or how would you rate the
quality of this show or this product or service we have?
Anything less than ten gets a follow-up question: what would
it take to make it a ten?
So one time I did this with my wife and she said six. And I
said, wow what would it take to make it a ten?
She said don't interrupt me when I'm telling a joke because
you think you can tell a punchline better. She said your job
is to put the kids to bed. I don't care if it is the NBA
playoffs, I don't want to have to remind you. You don't
remind me to get them up in the morning. She went on with
about five or six other things. But now I have five ways I
can improve my relationship. Most people don't ask for
feedback because they are afraid of what they're going to
KING: What if you disagree?
CANFIELD: You don't have to agree. You don't have to do it.
But at least I know what, in her perception, would allow the
relationship to go forward.
And here's the other thing. Most people don't ask and the
reason is they're afraid to hear it. I say, look, if you
don't ask your wife or your children or whatever, they've
already -- your wife's already told her mother, her
girlfriend, the people at work, the people at the
supermarket, the people in the hair salon. You're the only
one who doesn't know.
KING: Coming up in our final segment, how to make the start
of your day the start of a new life.
Don't go away.
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KING: We're back.
I want to get some questions in from the audience and wind
up from each of our panelists.
Jocelyn McCarthy (ph).
Hi, thank you.
My question is how do you manage personal, professional and
spiritual life in this demanding society?
RAY: That's harmonic wealth. It really is. You know, I think
you -- I think that presupposes that you can't do that. You
absolutely can. You absolutely can. You need to make a
decision you can. You need to sit down.
I would encourage you to sit down right now and make a list
of the five key areas of life, financial, relational,
intellectual, physical, spiritual and what exactly you want
to create and attract in each of those areas. And then keep
your attention on that, regardless of what's going on around
you and you'll begin to create it.
KING: And one more from Ron Drescher (ph) and then a
follow-up with each of our panelists -- Ron.
QUESTION: All right.
I want to be more happy, spiritual and at peace in my life.
How do I get started?
KING: Joe? VITALE: Find things to be grateful for right now.
Right in this moment. The fact that you can ask this
question, the fact that you are alive, the fact that you're
breathing, the fact that you're living wherever you're
Find a reason to be grateful, much like you mentioned
earlier, with a tear in your eye because it is so genuine
for you. Out of that gratitude you will find more things to
be grateful for. And out of that gratitude you will find
happiness right now.
KING: Jack, explain give more to get more.
CANFIELD: Well, basically, the universe responds. If you
give, it comes back to you. We've been talking about giving
out vibrations. The vibrations come back. The same is true
with money. If I give more money, more money tends to come
back in my life.
Every time, Larry, that I've gone and done some kind of
volunteer work, something's happened out of that experience
where I've met somebody, maybe a bank president, who then
hires me to come speak to his company.
It always comes back. So basically, people that are
successful -- I mean, you had Donald Trump and Kiyosaki on
your program not so long ago. And they're two of the biggest
givers I know. And so by giving, they get more back. And I
think that it's true for all of us. So givers get.
KING: Dr. Pratt, how do you start a new day to start a new
PRATT: Well, I like the gratitude list in the morning. And
then doing the two minutes of imagery of the different
elements that you want. If you want to change something in
your life, make that part of the end result imagery, in
terms of balance, spiritually, mentally, physically, et
cetera. Make that part of that two-minute imagery, so that
you can come back to it, so you're mindful during the day,
you're aware of it. And so your attention is continuing to
be focussed on it.
KING: Jayne, isn't change the hardest thing?
KING: The thing we fear the most.
PAYNE: ... it's the thing that's feared the most.
However, change within itself will happen automatically
whether we want it or not. Change goes on every day. It's
how we react to the change in our life that determines what
the outcome will be.
KING: James, how about world problems and the effect on
daily life? You look at an Iraq or you look at hurricanes,
North Korea setting off a bomb.
RAY: Right. KING: It's easy to say, I'm not too sure about
RAY: It is. I mean, we have a nation in fear. We have a
world in fear because we're bombarded all the time with the
things that are going on that appear to be so heinous.
But here's the thing, we live in a dualistic world. The law
of polarity says if there's an up, there's a down, if
there's an in, there's an out. What that means is if you're
in a really challenging situation in your life right now,
there's something there that's really amazing about it as
well. But you're not putting your attention upon it.
See, when you shift your attention, you being to think about
it. During the difficult times in our life, Larry, we learn
and grow the most through challenges. Don't wish for an
easier life. We wish for greater capability to ease
elegantly through life.
KING: Only have a minute or so left.
Do you have bad days, Jack?
CANFIELD: I don't have bad days. I can't say I never had...
KING: You don't have bad days?
KIND: You have bad days, Joe?
VITALE: Occasionally I have bumps in the road, but I
certainly get through them much faster than I used to.
PAYNE: I don't have bad days anymore.
PRATT: Quick recovery with the new techniques.
RAY: I don't have bad days. I have challenges, but
challenges are a part of life.
KING: James Ray, Jack Canfield, Dr. Joe Vitale -- George
Pratt, Joe Vitale, rather. Dr. George Pratt and Jayne Payne
on "Beyond the Power of Positive Thinking."
We hope you found this show illuminating. We'd love to hear
your comments about it.
We thank you for joining us.
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